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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:56:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Time to scrap moon mining then!
Moon mining is not, and has never been, a good kind of gameplay mechanic.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
599
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:18:00 -
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The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.
Why? Because smart players will just fly around and loot Siphons placed by someone else and save themselves the 10m investment.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
600
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:28:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.
Why? Because smart players will just fly around and loot Siphons placed by someone else and save themselves the 10m investment. So what you're saying is that a bunch of players are going to put siphons on lots of moons and then lots of people are going to be flying around fighting each other for the loot? That sounds like an excellent feature.
No... lots of people will fly cloaky haulers and nick the loot. And there will be no fighting, because there is a POS full of guns on grid which will indiscriminately blap ganker and gankee alike.
...and then no one will put up new siphons and the feature dies an ignoble death. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
601
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:57:00 -
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Zakhin Desver wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.
Why? Because smart players will just fly around and loot Siphons placed by someone else and save themselves the 10m investment. So what you're saying is that a bunch of players are going to put siphons on lots of moons and then lots of people are going to be flying around fighting each other for the loot? That sounds like an excellent feature. No... lots of people will fly cloaky haulers and nick the loot. And there will be no fighting, because there is a POS full of guns on grid which will indiscriminately blap ganker and gankee alike. ...and then no one will put up new siphons and the feature dies an ignoble death. Simple, we kill the batman Come on, you can always go to another undefended and hardly visited nullsec to steal more moon goo
See where I said "outside of null" ?
kthxbye |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
601
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:08:00 -
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xttz wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.
Helicity Boson wrote:
See where I said "outside of null" ?
kthxbye
We've been explicity telling you over the last few pages that we're going to be spamming these things all over the map, including low-sec, solely to grief the owners. They're so cheap it's actually a more cost-effective method of griefing than suicide-ganking, which we currently sink billions of ISK a week into. So yes, they are going to be used. Because they're the best griefing tool since Titan POS bumping, only this time they affect nearly everyone to some degree.
Feel absolutely free. If you had any idea who I was you'd know I celebrate this sort of thing. I will also gladly go around emptying the siphons you so generously put up for me. :) |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
602
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:18:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:xttz wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.
Helicity Boson wrote:
See where I said "outside of null" ?
kthxbye
We've been explicity telling you over the last few pages that we're going to be spamming these things all over the map, including low-sec, solely to grief the owners. They're so cheap it's actually a more cost-effective method of griefing than suicide-ganking, which we currently sink billions of ISK a week into. So yes, they are going to be used. Because they're the best griefing tool since Titan POS bumping, only this time they affect nearly everyone to some degree. Feel absolutely free. If you had any idea who I was you'd know I celebrate this sort of thing. I will also gladly go around emptying the siphons you so generously put up for me. :) I think you can consider it payment for the service you're providing by keeping our griefing tool running for another 24 hours.
I have a pretty good relationship with goons when it comes to griefing as you may recall :)
However my point stands, no entities outside of null will bother extensively putting them up because chances of a payoff are likely low.
If goons want to spend the investment to place them, and you certainly can as evidenced by your generous sponsoring of my last hulkageddon event, that's great for people like me.
Mechanically the system is bad of course, which is what you guys have been trying to say but the bears can't hear because they like to act like 3 year olds going "goon/pirate tears!" at every opportunity.
Perhaps if the material was not actually removed from the POS unless taken from the siphon, and returned if the siphon was destroyed it'd make a bit more sense... though I imagine the coding on that would be infernal. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
603
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:50:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:
b) have a character limit on how many siphons you can deploy (i.e. have in space at the same time). This would probably be in the 5 to 10 range.
This strongly favors large groups, while impacting the ability of small groups to bother the larger ones.
Bad call. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
603
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:55:00 -
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ITT: Goons trying to prevent a tool being released in a form which will allow them to endlessly grief others. Others write it off as Goon tears in their ignorance.
This is a peculiar thread indeed. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
607
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:16:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Good change. A region full of moons takes hundreds of people and thousands of man-hours to conquer. One person should not be able to hamper that by dropping a couple siphons per moon over the course of a few hours.
lol... |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
607
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:24:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:mynnna wrote:Good change. A region full of moons takes hundreds of people and thousands of man-hours to conquer. One person should not be able to hamper that by dropping a couple siphons per moon over the course of a few hours. lol... The tears from the small groupers just means CCP is on the right track. You know, to borrow the logic of those same small groupers from earlier in the thread. 
In fairness I personally can't lose either way. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
608
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:26:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:ITT: Goons trying to prevent a tool being released in a form which will allow them to endlessly grief others. Others write it off as Goon tears in their ignorance.
This is a peculiar thread indeed. Sorry but goons are the single largest holder of high end moons. This is 100% about them protecting their income.
If you don't realize they have the people, budget, time and Will to siphon every moon they don't personally own, just for lulz, you are sorely underestimating them. |
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